Comments on: Why EEstor Hooked Up With Zenn http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/ Helping the Earth with Technology Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:26:09 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Zenn Says Lithium Off the Table, Still Bets on EEStor « Energy Portfolio Managers Blog http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/#comment-36651 Zenn Says Lithium Off the Table, Still Bets on EEStor « Energy Portfolio Managers Blog Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:46:55 +0000 http://earth2tech.com/?p=16595#comment-36651 <p>[...] maker Zenn Motor Co. once saw lithium-ion batteries as a possible alternative to devices from its controversial investment in ultracapacitor developer EEStor, the more standard technology is now officially out of the [...]</p> [...] maker Zenn Motor Co. once saw lithium-ion batteries as a possible alternative to devices from its controversial investment in ultracapacitor developer EEStor, the more standard technology is now officially out of the [...]

]]> By: Zenn Says Lithium Off the Table, Still Bets on EEStor http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/#comment-36532 Zenn Says Lithium Off the Table, Still Bets on EEStor Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:37:40 +0000 http://earth2tech.com/?p=16595#comment-36532 <p>[...] Zenn Motor Company once saw lithium-ion batteries as a possible alternative to devices from its controversial investment in ultracapacitor developer EEStor, the more standard technology is now officially out of the [...]</p> [...] Zenn Motor Company once saw lithium-ion batteries as a possible alternative to devices from its controversial investment in ultracapacitor developer EEStor, the more standard technology is now officially out of the [...]

]]> By: EEStor, Zenn Take it Up a Notch, But Waiting Game Continues http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/#comment-35280 EEStor, Zenn Take it Up a Notch, But Waiting Game Continues Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:47:36 +0000 http://earth2tech.com/?p=16595#comment-35280 <p>[...] its exclusive deal for small and midsize cars with high-profile energy storage startup EEStor, was the fact that the bigger automakers didn’t want to take a risky bet on early-stage technology that didn’t have a lot of [...]</p> [...] its exclusive deal for small and midsize cars with high-profile energy storage startup EEStor, was the fact that the bigger automakers didn’t want to take a risky bet on early-stage technology that didn’t have a lot of [...]

]]> By: texas http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/#comment-22972 texas Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:38:07 +0000 http://earth2tech.com/?p=16595#comment-22972 <p>You fools! EEscam is a classic scam. Fantastic claims, hype, secrecy and missed milestones.</p> <p>They actually said they didn't have enough funding to proceed! What a joke. If they even had one prototype cap that covered even 1/4 of their promise they would have unlimited funding.</p> <p>Some people are just so trusting. Now I know why there are so many victims in the world. Just sad.</p> <p>The next delay will be announced soon.</p> <p>Did you all notice how Clifford sounds like a lawyer every time the word EEstor comes up? Exactly. A lawyer is who he is going to be talking to soon. I feel sorry for Zenn investors. Hey, it had good entertainment value. Right?</p> <p>Weir should be tarred and feathered after this scam. Not only did it cost money but delayed other important investments. Criminal in my eyes.</p> You fools! EEscam is a classic scam. Fantastic claims, hype, secrecy and missed milestones.

They actually said they didn’t have enough funding to proceed! What a joke. If they even had one prototype cap that covered even 1/4 of their promise they would have unlimited funding.

Some people are just so trusting. Now I know why there are so many victims in the world. Just sad.

The next delay will be announced soon.

Did you all notice how Clifford sounds like a lawyer every time the word EEstor comes up? Exactly. A lawyer is who he is going to be talking to soon. I feel sorry for Zenn investors. Hey, it had good entertainment value. Right?

Weir should be tarred and feathered after this scam. Not only did it cost money but delayed other important investments. Criminal in my eyes.

]]> By: EEStor Missing ZENN Milestones in 2008 « Earth2Tech http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/#comment-22861 EEStor Missing ZENN Milestones in 2008 « Earth2Tech Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:22:22 +0000 http://earth2tech.com/?p=16595#comment-22861 <p>[...] does that mean 2009 is the big year for EEStor and ZENN, which plans to use EEStor’s energy storage device in an electric car? ZENN’s Clifford seems to think so — Hamilton quotes Clifford as saying that [...]</p> [...] does that mean 2009 is the big year for EEStor and ZENN, which plans to use EEStor’s energy storage device in an electric car? ZENN’s Clifford seems to think so — Hamilton quotes Clifford as saying that [...]

]]> By: Bob Deverell http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/#comment-22553 Bob Deverell Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:10:44 +0000 http://earth2tech.com/?p=16595#comment-22553 <p>Surely the aim is to get every car company to franchise and install Zenn/EESTOR technology aka 'powered by intel'. It seems to me that to get universal uptake then they either have to start and grow a holding company themselves or go in with a like minded partner. Using an established large car manufacturer would have destroyed that possibility. Bob Bangkok</p> Surely the aim is to get every car company to franchise and install Zenn/EESTOR technology aka ‘powered by intel’. It seems to me that to get universal uptake then they either have to start and grow a holding company themselves or go in with a like minded partner. Using an established large car manufacturer would have destroyed that possibility. Bob Bangkok

]]> By: Zenn highway car powered by EEstor - Page 5 - Tesla Motors Club Forum http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/#comment-22479 Zenn highway car powered by EEstor - Page 5 - Tesla Motors Club Forum Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:03:22 +0000 http://earth2tech.com/?p=16595#comment-22479 <p>[...] article which explains why EEstor hooked up with Zenn instead of a larger car company: Why EEstor Hooked Up With Zenn Earth2Tech [...]</p> [...] article which explains why EEstor hooked up with Zenn instead of a larger car company: Why EEstor Hooked Up With Zenn Earth2Tech [...]

]]> By: Tulsa1 http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/#comment-22018 Tulsa1 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:39:56 +0000 http://earth2tech.com/?p=16595#comment-22018 <p>EEstor made a license deal with ZMC. I do not see any details about the cost of the product. EEStor can give ZMC the license to sell the product, but EEstor has not restricted the price of the unit. So, I do not see anything wrong with the deal from EEstor's vantage point, they can still charge $1 million dollars per battery if they can get away with it. ZMC, if they have an iron-clad agreement, will get gobbled up in a bidding war if this thing plays out. That is all that Ian Clifford is hoping for. His $2.00 per share company will get eaten up for $200 per share by GMC or ??? At $2.00, it is a lottery ticket, that is all. I have some of those tickets.</p> EEstor made a license deal with ZMC. I do not see any details about the cost of the product. EEStor can give ZMC the license to sell the product, but EEstor has not restricted the price of the unit. So, I do not see anything wrong with the deal from EEstor’s vantage point, they can still charge $1 million dollars per battery if they can get away with it. ZMC, if they have an iron-clad agreement, will get gobbled up in a bidding war if this thing plays out. That is all that Ian Clifford is hoping for. His $2.00 per share company will get eaten up for $200 per share by GMC or ??? At $2.00, it is a lottery ticket, that is all. I have some of those tickets.

]]> By: Will Finfrock http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/#comment-21873 Will Finfrock Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:25:35 +0000 http://earth2tech.com/?p=16595#comment-21873 <p>Look at the Zenn agreement closely, you will note that there are limits; primarily, vehicle weight. Then note the gross vehicle weight of the Chevy Volt. I conclude you are selling the Big Three short. They are simply waiting, quietly, for proven technology. And any (or all) of the Big Three can bring their guns to bear when the time comes and the technology is proven. Albeit, Zenn made a great deal, but it's not a monopoly. Does anyone know the projected production capacity of the EEstor factory? That would be telling.</p> Look at the Zenn agreement closely, you will note that there are limits; primarily, vehicle weight. Then note the gross vehicle weight of the Chevy Volt. I conclude you are selling the Big Three short. They are simply waiting, quietly, for proven technology. And any (or all) of the Big Three can bring their guns to bear when the time comes and the technology is proven. Albeit, Zenn made a great deal, but it’s not a monopoly. Does anyone know the projected production capacity of the EEstor factory? That would be telling.

]]> By: Mauibuck http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/#comment-21645 Mauibuck Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:59:30 +0000 http://earth2tech.com/?p=16595#comment-21645 <p>There is certainly a great question about the wisdom of EEStor signing an exclusive with Zenn. The implication that ZENN were the only people willing to take a chance seems unlikely. There are LOTS of VC ready to do that. But if the Zenn deal , signed late 2005, was ridiculously restrictive, how can anybody give EEStor ANY credibility after duplicating the stupidity Sept. 2008 by signing "a WORLD-WIDE Exclusive Technology Agreement" with Light Electric Vehicles Company (LEVCO) for two and three wheel vehicles? LEVCO is a complete nonentity. They haven't built so much as a skateboard.</p> <p>These two cataclysmic, stupid, exclusive agreements have taken EEStor completely off my radar screen. I'm banking, literally, on Maxwell Technology.</p> There is certainly a great question about the wisdom of EEStor signing an exclusive with Zenn. The implication that ZENN were the only people willing to take a chance seems unlikely. There are LOTS of VC ready to do that. But if the Zenn deal , signed late 2005, was ridiculously restrictive, how can anybody give EEStor ANY credibility after duplicating the stupidity Sept. 2008 by signing “a WORLD-WIDE Exclusive Technology Agreement” with Light Electric Vehicles Company (LEVCO) for two and three wheel vehicles? LEVCO is a complete nonentity. They haven’t built so much as a skateboard.

These two cataclysmic, stupid, exclusive agreements have taken EEStor completely off my radar screen. I’m banking, literally, on Maxwell Technology.

]]> By: anonymous http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/#comment-21636 anonymous Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:40:23 +0000 http://earth2tech.com/?p=16595#comment-21636 <p>we shall know in a few weeks...</p> we shall know in a few weeks…

]]> By: EEScam http://earth2tech.com/2008/12/02/why-eestor-hooked-up-with-zenn/#comment-21631 EEScam Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:01:32 +0000 http://earth2tech.com/?p=16595#comment-21631 <p>EESTOR is a scam!</p> <p>That "milestone" that was mentioned was complete BS - this milestone states that the french fry machine is capable of cooking fries at some temperature, and that the employees are capable of using the fry machine. It says absolutely nothing about actually making fries! yes the fry machine has to be able to cook at a certain temperature, and yes the employees must know how to use the fry machine - but there is nothing there that implies that fries will ever be made.</p> <p>Do you think that Toyota is worried about Eestor and their technology? Absolutely not - Eestor is a joke! Kleiner Perkins an initial investor has erased any mention of Eestor from their website. Why do you think this is the case? Eestor, according to public records has 9 employees - 3 of them have the last name of "Weir" and dad is the CEO. The world HQ is located between the yoga center and a car insurance office - this is a scam.</p> EESTOR is a scam!

That “milestone” that was mentioned was complete BS – this milestone states that the french fry machine is capable of cooking fries at some temperature, and that the employees are capable of using the fry machine. It says absolutely nothing about actually making fries! yes the fry machine has to be able to cook at a certain temperature, and yes the employees must know how to use the fry machine – but there is nothing there that implies that fries will ever be made.

Do you think that Toyota is worried about Eestor and their technology? Absolutely not – Eestor is a joke! Kleiner Perkins an initial investor has erased any mention of Eestor from their website. Why do you think this is the case? Eestor, according to public records has 9 employees – 3 of them have the last name of “Weir” and dad is the CEO. The world HQ is located between the yoga center and a car insurance office – this is a scam.

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